22 Kommentare zu „Ein Dutzend STAEDTLER MARS LUMOGRAPH 2886 B“
Matthias Meckel
Sehr schoene Bilder! Und jedesmal wieder, wenn ich „Made in Bavaria“ Stifte sehe frage ich mich, wieso sich die Mittelfranken freiwillig als Bayern bezeichnet haben.
Matthias Meckel
…oder sind diese Stifte am Ende noch aus den Zeiten des Deutschen Bundes?
Danke! :-) Zum Bayerisch-Fränkischen Sachverhalt kann ich mich leider überhaupt nicht äußern, und was das Alter der Stifte angeht, so habe ich nur eine sehr grobe Schätzung parat. Wenn ich richtig informiert bin, kam der blaue MARS LUMOGRAPH 2886 Anfang der 1930er Jahre auf den Markt, und das Reichspatentamt, bei dem ein „D.R.P.“ (Deutsches Reichs-Patent) eingetragen wurde, schloss 1945; die gezeigten Bleistifte dürften also etwa 70 ±5 Jahre alt sein.
Kent, thanks for your comment. No, I haven’t sharpened one of these yet but another one of about the same age and with a different hardness grade a while ago. Although old and possibly not stored properly all the time it was of excellent quality. – You can see an old EX-EXB here, the predecessor of the EE respectively 8B.
A friend of mine just recently found me one of these pencils, but instead of „Made in Bavaria“, it says Germany and it doesn’t have any DRP markings. I assume it’s a later variation of this particular pencil.
Any idea of when they stopped producing the 2886 model?
Another difference is that mine has a black cap with a white ring just like the current versions. But I think is fair to assume that this is probably a late 60’s unit.
The DRP (Deutsches Reichs-Patentamt, German patent office) closed in 1945 so your pencil has been made after 1945. Can you find a relief embossing? This is a production code and can give a hint on the production date.
yendras
Hello, very interesting website :)
My son is young, enthusiastic graphite pencil collector. He has got 2886-series Lumograph with „DRP“ mark. Following your explanations above I consider it dated not later than 1945. There’s an embossing on a backside: *63. Does it allow more exact dating ?
You can seen an interesting detail that show their age, the „sandwich“ of wood is cut with 2 of the hex angles where the two slats joins (does that makes sense ?).
New pencils are cut with flat sides where the slats joins, to save on wood, but apparently the machines from that era weren’t able to do that. I need to investigate the matter a little deeper !
Matt, this is a very interesting observation! By the way, the new way to cut the pencils was accompanied by a reduction in diameter, and in the end it was possible to get one more pencil per sandwich. – I’m eager to hear about your further investigations!
Matt
I realize part of my comment is missing, but you got the meaning anyway :)
I was saying that cutting the pencils on the „flat“ side allow more space saving (generally accompanied by a pencil diameter reduction too) than cutting on the edge (makes sense, just line some pencils on their flat side and compare with pencils lined on the edge).
Probably newer machine allow tighter tolerances while cutting, so the „cut“ can be made finer. Pencils still taking advantage of new technology ?
Unfortunately I didn’t find much about that…I think Charles Berolzheimer from Cal Cedar could be more specific.
These are interesting aspects! I have thought about asking Fr. Ehrhardt, a supplier of machines for pencil production, about that. I’m sure they know more but of course it could be possible that they don’t disclose all details.
Cesar
Hola en la escala de calibres,los Ex-ExB equivalen a cuál calibre,B,HB,F…?
I don’t speak Spanish so I hope the machine translation of your question is correct. You have asked what degree of hardness Ex-ExB corresponds to on the scale with B, HB, F etc.
ExExB was renamed to EE which in turn was renamed to 8B (there was also ExB which became EB and later 7B). In contrast to the other soft grades, 8B and 7B contained carbon black. In 2015 STAEDTLER announced the Mars Lumograph range extension which extended the range of the Mars Lumograph by four grades, namely 7H, 8H, 9H and 9B. The grades 7B and 8B no longer contain any carbon black (the new grade 9B of course not either). In addition to that, the new Mars Lumograph Black was introduced. It is available in 2B, 4B, 6B and 8B, and all grades have a high carbon black content. The old hardness grade 8B with carbon black therefore lives on in the Mars Lumograph Black, and the old hardness grade 7B, also with carbon black, has disappeared with this range extension (of course the Mars Lumograph Black 8B is not necessarily identical to the old Mars Lumograph 8B).
It was (is?) disputed whether more than a renaming of EE took place, i. e. whether the formula was also changed, but according to STAEDTLER this was not the case. – See also “The hunt for the EE grade pencil” at pencil talk.
Sehr schoene Bilder! Und jedesmal wieder, wenn ich „Made in Bavaria“ Stifte sehe frage ich mich, wieso sich die Mittelfranken freiwillig als Bayern bezeichnet haben.
…oder sind diese Stifte am Ende noch aus den Zeiten des Deutschen Bundes?
Danke! :-) Zum Bayerisch-Fränkischen Sachverhalt kann ich mich leider überhaupt nicht äußern, und was das Alter der Stifte angeht, so habe ich nur eine sehr grobe Schätzung parat. Wenn ich richtig informiert bin, kam der blaue MARS LUMOGRAPH 2886 Anfang der 1930er Jahre auf den Markt, und das Reichspatentamt, bei dem ein „D.R.P.“ (Deutsches Reichs-Patent) eingetragen wurde, schloss 1945; die gezeigten Bleistifte dürften also etwa 70 ±5 Jahre alt sein.
Quite interesting. Thanks for the nice pictures. Have you sharpened one of them?
Kent, thanks for your comment. No, I haven’t sharpened one of these yet but another one of about the same age and with a different hardness grade a while ago. Although old and possibly not stored properly all the time it was of excellent quality. – You can see an old EX-EXB here, the predecessor of the EE respectively 8B.
By the way: Thank you for your detailed and informative post about the Lumograph 100!
Thank you for the link. Not only the pictures but also the comments were very informative.
You’re welcome! I am happy to hear that it was of interest for you.
STAEDTLER hat mir mitgeteilt, dass der MARS LUMOGRAPH 2886 am 1. August 1930 auf den Markt kam.
A friend of mine just recently found me one of these pencils, but instead of „Made in Bavaria“, it says Germany and it doesn’t have any DRP markings. I assume it’s a later variation of this particular pencil.
Any idea of when they stopped producing the 2886 model?
Yes – it looks as if this variant was newer.
The 2886 was renamed to 100 in 1967.
Another difference is that mine has a black cap with a white ring just like the current versions. But I think is fair to assume that this is probably a late 60’s unit.
The DRP (Deutsches Reichs-Patentamt, German patent office) closed in 1945 so your pencil has been made after 1945. Can you find a relief embossing? This is a production code and can give a hint on the production date.
Hello, very interesting website :)
My son is young, enthusiastic graphite pencil collector. He has got 2886-series Lumograph with „DRP“ mark. Following your explanations above I consider it dated not later than 1945. There’s an embossing on a backside: *63. Does it allow more exact dating ?
You’re right – your son’s pencils were made before 1945. Unfortunately I can’t decode the blind embossing used back then.
Thanks a lot for confirmation :)
You’re welcome! :-)
You can seen an interesting detail that show their age, the „sandwich“ of wood is cut with 2 of the hex angles where the two slats joins (does that makes sense ?).
New pencils are cut with flat sides where the slats joins, to save on wood, but apparently the machines from that era weren’t able to do that. I need to investigate the matter a little deeper !
Matt, this is a very interesting observation! By the way, the new way to cut the pencils was accompanied by a reduction in diameter, and in the end it was possible to get one more pencil per sandwich. – I’m eager to hear about your further investigations!
I realize part of my comment is missing, but you got the meaning anyway :)
I was saying that cutting the pencils on the „flat“ side allow more space saving (generally accompanied by a pencil diameter reduction too) than cutting on the edge (makes sense, just line some pencils on their flat side and compare with pencils lined on the edge).
Probably newer machine allow tighter tolerances while cutting, so the „cut“ can be made finer. Pencils still taking advantage of new technology ?
Unfortunately I didn’t find much about that…I think Charles Berolzheimer from Cal Cedar could be more specific.
These are interesting aspects! I have thought about asking Fr. Ehrhardt, a supplier of machines for pencil production, about that. I’m sure they know more but of course it could be possible that they don’t disclose all details.
Hola en la escala de calibres,los Ex-ExB equivalen a cuál calibre,B,HB,F…?
I don’t speak Spanish so I hope the machine translation of your question is correct. You have asked what degree of hardness Ex-ExB corresponds to on the scale with B, HB, F etc.
ExExB was renamed to EE which in turn was renamed to 8B (there was also ExB which became EB and later 7B). In contrast to the other soft grades, 8B and 7B contained carbon black. In 2015 STAEDTLER announced the Mars Lumograph range extension which extended the range of the Mars Lumograph by four grades, namely 7H, 8H, 9H and 9B. The grades 7B and 8B no longer contain any carbon black (the new grade 9B of course not either). In addition to that, the new Mars Lumograph Black was introduced. It is available in 2B, 4B, 6B and 8B, and all grades have a high carbon black content. The old hardness grade 8B with carbon black therefore lives on in the Mars Lumograph Black, and the old hardness grade 7B, also with carbon black, has disappeared with this range extension (of course the Mars Lumograph Black 8B is not necessarily identical to the old Mars Lumograph 8B).
It was (is?) disputed whether more than a renaming of EE took place, i. e. whether the formula was also changed, but according to STAEDTLER this was not the case. – See also “The hunt for the EE grade pencil” at pencil talk.